KoToR Remake Discussion Thread

Place went from asking it for game pass to doubting Aspyr, the quality of the remake and its importance real quick. It sucks simple as that.

This. They dont care about winning a single bid of these type of stuff. I truly wonder if it wasnt for the Zenimax acquisition they would had let them get Starfield had the money been right.

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I heard “who cares about some unknown studio low budget remake” be thrown around until info came to light that this is actually a proper big effort AAA remake costing around 70 million or something and they’ve assembled some folks who worked on the OG KOTOR back in the day.

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This place is becoming…ugh…I don’t know.

In the real adult world these sorts of deals and relationships come about over years - often as a result of other stuff. And lets be brutally honest if Xbox HAD announced KOTOR being made by Aspyr exclusively everyone would have said ‘so what’. Its the absolute cycle of overreaction to something Sony does that is depressing. The game is being remade. Yay! And it will come to Xbox at some point.

But you can’t always just throw money round to do these things. There are complex factors at play. And Xbox as a brand has LESS reach than playstation. Forget the sales or anything like that - just as a partner brand - you’d pick PS over Xbox simply because you know their reach is bigger. Which makes these licensing partnerships easier for Sony. They also have a big in here with SpiderMan and their movie business. So again - its not probably even possible for Xbox to just come along with bags of money and disrupt everything going on.

This really isn’t a big deal and people really need some perspective.

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Yeah just how FF7R was also just a 1 year Playstation exclusive and here we are 18 months later and not even on PC its seen.

Playstation’s reach is bigger than Xbox, PC, Cloud and Game Pass now? They didnt wanna pay for it enough thats it.

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Dont know how people can so calmly say “its coming to xbox”. Just how Nioh, FF7R and such also did?

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It is easily now that PS is seemingly on board with PC nowadays.

Yep, I don’t trust Disney nor Sony about this.

Sony let your game on pc, doesn’t publish nor fund it over that version, they pay for PS port and that’s it,for now it’s slowly porting its old games, there is no signal of concurrent versions because their business model is not geared for that. They have not the structure (yet), nor the storefront on pc to do it. Also discounting cloud it’s a mistake, it opens your game to any device in existence without the need of ports.

Cloud gaming is still a niche, does it have potential in the future ? Possibly but as of right now, it’s so insignificant it isn’t worth mentioning rn in terms of swaying publishers/developers from letting their games get moneyhatted

Whan you moneyhat kotor Sony and MS have the same exact chances, wrpgs sell as well on Xbox as Ps, maybe even better, plus GP reach which is something Sony has not, PSPlus is a different thing, you cannot give away simil-ownership of a big game day one. MS simply doesn’t run anymore for these deals. I’m ok with that, I’m not an hypocrite, but I find annoying losing for who knows how long a Xbox classic remake.

The producer confirmed the information. FF7R I still think it will come to Xbox eventually, but I guess Sony extended the deal with the PS5 viersion.

Officialy the new extension expires this december. The more optimistic people expect a multiplatform announcement at TGA, I personally expect a PC only port for the time being. I assure you Sony would do anything they can to prevent it on Xbox, it’s their modus operandi. So it will be for kotor., they will try their hardest to delay xbox port.

We are talking about a brand reach. The IP is interested in how brand partnerships will propel it. PlayStation has a huge brand worldwide and Xbox even if they sell the same number of systems doesn’t have the same market penetration.

Then one way to prevent such things and grow your brand is by impeding these kind of stuff.

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I don’t know what your real life experience of big business or even just medium sized business is but real life doesn’t work like that. You don’t have the ability to just dictate what happens. And if you ever worked in a company like MS you would understand how making a business case stack up for senior management and stakeholders isn’t about winning internet points. Microsoft aren’t going to and aren’t able to just run round and throw money at everything PlayStation does. Why would they even need to? Companies can co-exist and be successful as we are seeing right now. People always frame this stuff in such weird ways. The internet creates a nonsense narrative about a competition but the reality of sitting inside a business like Xbox is entirely different. Xbox will do what it does and compete in the ways that make sense for it.

If you turn everything into a ridiculous let’s win online mindshare then no sensible decisions would ever be taken. It seems as though discussion about these properties have taken place for years with insomniac and Sony it’s not a new thing that just happens. But we are still taking a video game and the IP doesn’t make a great game alone.

Some people here are missing the point about why some of us are upset. It’s not that Sony outbid Microsoft on a KOTOR remake, it’s that a KOTOR license was available at all and Xbox didn’t create the project themselves. Xbox should’ve initiated the game into existence if they had any sense of what the fan base wants. Xbox is becoming detached from their fan base while Sony has a clearer sense of the community apparently.

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AFAIK Nioh was never described as a console launch exclusive.

This is an awful take based on a single game, considering all of the stuff that Microsoft has in the pipeline.

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Was the PS community really expecting or demanding a KOTOR remake exclusive to their platform? I’ve never seen any PS fan putting KOTOR remake on any of their “hopes & dreams” lists. We can all agree that this move from Sony was purely to win some points on the system wars front AND at the same time have a high profile RPG on their (severely lacking in that genre) line-up. I really doubt that move was a “what the community wanted” move.

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But Sony fans told me for years they only purchase new consoles for new games and not 20 year old museum pieces. How has Sony a clearer sens of their community? This doesn’t make any sense.

I have a personal approach of not trying to guess what happens behind the curtain. We still don’t know if Microsoft tried to do any kind of partnership and Sony won. We don’t know how these approaches happen, or if Microsoft had the opportunity to do a counter-proposal.