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I’d kinda like to see forum members create OT’s for games their excited about, and keep trailers, updates etc in “Official Threads” if that makes sense.

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Meant in the sense that, since the PlayStation market usually ends showcasing more and more black hole-like games(Fortnite, COD, Apex Legends, you know the usual suspects), it tends to be quite a struggle for single-player games to stay at the top of the player board after a week or two, especially in the top 10.

I do apologize if my previous comment was confusing as all hell to understand or was just baffling.

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Consoles do seriously need to do something about discovery. Well I guess Xbox already is with Game Pass. We know Xbox gamers do try more games compared to other platforms. Sony’s own first party titles have suffered as well from the console’s dependency on black hole games.

Psychology should be studied in high-school. Know how your brain works people!

Yet, there’s so many experiments done in psychology with the wrong premises. It’s hard to do an experiment and get results that are not skewed. Humans are influenced left and right ( no pun intended), we know that. It’s been proven time and time again, like that “Robbers Cave Camp” experiment from 1954, that you can pit people against each other by making groups, even fabricated groups. It’s human nature.

You need many different sources to make an opinion. We are all easily swayed from one side to the other because we try to be rational, but if you don’t have all the info, or it’s biased, you will get swayed slowly into one group. Groups are very powerful, even here, we are all a biased towards Xbox, it’s normal. And at least we are aware of that, but it’s important to see the outside and how the other group is also a mental fabrication.

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Thank you for clarifying, I’m following now :joy:

Very true. With gaming I’d honestly even say that bias is not just fine but highly appropriate. It’s an entertainment medium, of course we have our preferences. Just do whatever is the most fun.

It just sucks when there are so many who aren’t aware of their biases and very loudly make it known. It kinda gets dumb. Like with elections and voting and what not “My guy wins the office = your guy doesn’t and maybe policies you don’t like will be implemented.” so like I get it. In gaming though, come on these are video games. There’s no reason why people should feel this personally attacked or feel the need to attack others individually. I just hope it goes away as barriers continue to breakdown. It’s already become the norm that no matter what your preferred platform is, you have crossplay to play with everyone. Cross progression is also becoming more normal, and kids are growing up attached to games not platform brands.

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I have. I completed it back at launch. And yes, it does drag on. As does RE 7 and RE 8. All three have the same thing in common - the last third of the game is the weakest part of the game and feels like it’s not needed. At least to me anyway.

I always suggest to those people “just don’t buy it then” as supposedly they’re huge fans of capitalism which is supposed to allow an open market and people buy what they want - and there will be winners and losers.

If they so vehemently think “no one will buy this shit” why are they so worked up? It’ll fail if so and they’ll have been proven right (although as we know, their pile ons can often help cause a failure).

It’s clear many of them only pay lip service to the “free market” and instead are letting others think for them - and showing authoritarian tendencies just like many of those they follow or vote for, which is not so much democracy or free markets but “I win you lose, I get everything my way and everyone must behave my way” which is the exact opposite.

It’s tiring and has been infecting politics, gaming, movies and everything for the last decade - and seems to be getting worse (although maybe there’s some hope in many people now seeing how far the extremes are going)

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Tiring is the word for it. And it really has spread like a virus. I just want to ignore the types but they are literally everywhere. The problem I’ve noticed is that they keep doing this crap because they are benefited by it. The systems we’ve allowed to run society give these people POSITIVE feedback. They get engagement from one liner jokes at other people’s expense. Companies have also leaned into this type of behavior because they see see engagement as well and in turn increase brand loyalty through polarizing everything and turning customers into soldiers. Politicians really benefit for the hyper polarization. And it’s all so tiring.

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Yep there’s also the lower order (“lizard brain”) and higher order (society / civilisation) schools of thought in psychology too which explains a lot about our world in general and why game plots often boil down to quite simple emotions (revenge, unfairness, fear).

Basically when we were still hunter-gatherers, the lower order stuff kept us alive - it activates the “fight or flight” response and can often override “higher order” thinking. Primarily it covers fear, anger and a desire for safety / fear of change.

Higher order thinking (in the prefrontal cortex) developed to help us form civilisation, allowing for compromise, helping others and empathy.

Because “nothing happened today” isn’t acceptable in the news (not like 18th April 1930 when the BBC broadcast “there’s no news today”) they report everything they can find which is normally bad or criminal, leading to us assuming crime and violence are much higher than the official statistics suggest - and this is often made worse by politicians and media who benefit from scaring us and overriding our empathy so we agree to authoritarian measures or blame anyone but them - with the “lizard brain” telling us “it’s better to be safe than sorry”.

On the plus side, it allows for engaging and thrilling games, where the lower order emotions can drive that desire to beat that last boss or save the town!

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Honestly, I will be honest with my comment, so feel free to disagree with it if you must, but Xbox really should pay attention to which types of genres PlayStation users enjoy buying and playing, not just make a port on all types of genres and expect to see a return or land with said audience. RPGs, Shooters, racing sim, and Live Service games make the most for ports, as they sell rather well in my opinion.

Just me rambling like a buffon here. You can argue against it if you must. Just wanted to establish my own perspective on that.

I mean, that covers everything Xbox has ported over yeah?

Not really; strategy games like Age of Empires don’t sell that much on PlayStation compared to either the Xbox platform or, hell, the PC platform. Same for certain smaller games like Pentiment or even Keeper. That’s not even going into platformers, like my god, I don’t think I have seen any of the genre hit the top 10 there since Astro.

Sorry, just observation and stuff like that.

That’s a pretty normal observation. Something interesting is that Age of Empires despite being a core Microsoft IP only JUST released on Xbox for the first time this generation. There’s definitely a much smaller audience for strategy games on console period and even smaller on Playstation. With all those games I think it’s just a “Why not?” situation. If people aren’t switch platforms for Forza Horizon 5 then definitely aren’t for Pentiment. That said Keeper isn’t on Playstation while Kiln (an online multiplayer) will be on PS from day one. Games like Age of Empires are still online live service and strategy games are growing on console in general, but I think that there probably are conversations of “Is it even worth it to port this?” There definitely are discussions around if it costs more in time and money (especially for a smaller studio like Double Fine) to release on more platforms than needed. And small creative games of more artistic value than commercial value can probably do better as just on Xbox and PC (even if that’s just initially and double fine or a partner studio later ports them during project downtime to have a second wind with sales).

I suspect with games like Pentiment though they cost so little to make and so little to port compared to say CoD or FH5 that even if they only sell a few thousand it’s plenty more money in the bank, plus might introduce some new fans

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We had it too good with smart delivery.

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I wonder what’s Max’s input on this.

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I’ve seen this complaint a few times on the subreddit and I think the pacing took a nosedive as soon as I got to the castle, damn did that dragged on and then when I was in chapter 11 I think, I thought I was near the end but little did I know, I’m now in chapter 16, imo it is needlessly long and I would have liked it more if there weren’t so many sections where I have to fight through a horde of enemies before moving to the next section where the same thing happens again, not saying the game is bad but I definitely preferred the pacing of RE2R and RE3R more than this, I still think the game is great and it isn’t the worst offender when it comes to doing stuff like this.

Masterpiece can still have a flaw. Look at Halo.

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I think he was talking about this last night, but he streams late enough that for me it’s time to go to bed.