I’m sorry but this is a poor take, especially when you consider the part they are keeping alive, the live service side of Infinite, is what you’re saying they failing at. The studio was filled with passionate and dedicated people who took three games to really understand what was needed to give us a Halo campaign that many fans wanted but you think any other studio will do better on their first attempt?
This is not the time to attack people who just lost their jobs and is the worst news to a long time Halo fan like me. Without any mainline campaign entries to look forward to, the series right now might as well be dead for me. That wasn’t the case when 343i still had a campaign team to give me something to look forward to.
Not attacking anybody. Criticism if you can even call it that, doesn’t immediately become an attack, I can’t possibly attack anyone since it’s impossible to know where the problem lies, I’m merely stating facts, if simply stating facts looks so bad for 343 that’s not on me.
Also, what exactly where you looking forward to before this post? No expansion was announced officially if I’m not mistaken, and there’s a good chance no expansion was ever in development in the first place. In that sense, now is when you actually can look forward to something, not before.
Anyway, I stand by what I said, no company, not even Microsoft, will invest hundreds of millions in something, get a fraction of that in return and not change anything.
Do you have receipts for Halo Infinites budget and its player counts? Specifically contradicting the official line that Infinite had the largest launch and first year of any Halo game. Because if you don’t thats the opposite of facts.
If there were no campaign expansion in development that contradicts this source (which claims there was) making the story bullshit.
If not an attack, saying Halo was dead in the hands of 343 is at least an ignorant comment. It also doesn’t address the flawed idea that any other studio would be able to do better on their first attempt. You’re not stating facts, you’re expressing you’re opinion. Let’s not mistake the two.
We also knew that SP content was planned when you consider the end of Infinite’s campaign and the fact that the game was originally planned to be a platform for 10 years. While I think this 10 year plan was a mistake, it’s not hard to understand how additional campaign content was planned for Infinite, unless you think they planned to leave the story line on a cliffhanger.
If you think this terrible news is good for the franchise, you’re of course free to have this opinion, but understand that other fans of the series (like me) are devastated by all of this due to good people losing their jobs and some fans losing a core part of the franchise.
I know a good launch means absolutely nothing without player retention. I know in April I had to wait 5 minutes to find a ranked game. I also know it dropped under 5k players on steam 3 months after release and stayed there till today. And if it was profitable we wouldn’t even be having this conversation now.
I agree it’s an opinion and not facts. However I do think he is right in that Halo performance over the years have led to this or in some way factored into this. Just sometime ago fire 343 was trending and I can’t tell you how many videos over the years have been criticizing 343 like those of “The ActMan”.
That said I believe there is light at the end of this tunnel.
This is my take moving forward I think Microsoft will work on co developing Halo like they are doing for Fable , Perfect Dark and The AGE series. The stodio could be divided into Co development teams of 60 or more to work with big contracted studios. This way they can explore more in the Halo universe while keeping down costs as well as partner with many in the industry. This way gamepass serves not just Microsoft and the consumers but also developers. Ubisoft for example with its 20 thousand plus could easily co develop games and focus on fewer titles after all it seems like 6 to 7 cancelled games will free up a lot of devs to help.
I don’t know maybe I’m the crazy one and infinite is teaming with life, maybe the servers get overloaded and there are queues in order to play.
I’m curious at what point would you say that infinites mp is dead? I guess there was that game that had like 16 players on release, can’t remember the name.
Anyway this being good news is obviously my opinion, since before I had zero hope for halo, now as you say whoever gets their shot at it could fail, but something is better than nothing.
Pardon my intrusion but I do think Halo should be on the level of or at least close to COD on most played. As it stands FORZA has overtaken HALO which was on the box.
The budget is a number people are throwing around for a long time that’s why I’m it, don’t think Microsoft has said anything on that so I obviously can’t know.
As far as the player count goes, Microsoft not releasing numbers for the player count and me not being able to find a game 5 months after release speaks volumes.
Also you don’t need to be an insider to understand these news don’t really mean halo was doing fine profitwise.
Also for the 20th spot on Xbox live for the macot of Xbox with all the expectations and a supposed 10 year plan, 20th isn’t something to celebrate imo. Granted I’m surprised it made the list to be honest.
So #2 most played game? Beating GTAV, Minecraft, Apex and Roblox? I would call that ambitious and unrealistic. Aside from the first couple of weeks, the top 10 is virtually inpenetrable (Overwatch 2 is #10)
That’s also not close to CoD. So the conclusion would be Forza Horizon 5 is a commercial failure because it didn’t dethrone Call of Duty. And yes, that would be a ridiculous notion too. See mah point?
What you actually meant was “I don’t state facts and just kinda repeat hear say”
They did release a player count in January 2022. “Over 20 million” …unless you mean, their current counts at this moment. Fair dues. Can you tell me how many people are playing Fortnite on Xbox right now?
Wait…so you’re just representing your own opinions as facts and think if you repeat them often enough, that makes them correct?
Well at least you admit you didn’t do any research and just parrot the things you read on the internet.
Expecting Halo to perform similarly to CoD or Fortnite isn’t realistic, we are in different times and it’s unlikely Halo will ever come close to the behemoth it used to be, too much competition and Halo is no longer the unique multiplayer experience it once was
That being said, anyone thinking Infinite hasn’t massively underperformed is sticking their head in the sand
I’m catching up on the news. I don’t want to pile on them, but that’s kind of a bad look. From an outsider perspective it doesn’t really inspire confidence in MS and their studios, even if these layoffs are justified.
I hope they can refrain from doing these massive layoffs, especially with their newly acquired studios… Imagine they do that with Activision ? COD needs a LOT of hands and I hope they are smarter than that and don’t touch them.
343 was seeing the trends and knew what was coming down the line, but that’s still hurts… So much talent and time wasted, especially with a game that really needs content !!! I can’t believe they are doing this. And frankly, I don’t care who’s to blame. MS gave them the time they needed to turn things around, so the mismanagement is on them.
And here I thought before the launch of Infinite that they had years of content planned ahead of time and were waiting to reveal their campaign DLC plans… So what was that campaign setting things up for ? I’m kind of tired of waiting for the game to get the attention and content it deserves, especially when it happens that they seem to have finally figured things out recently…
I have still hope that they can work better with a smaller teams and smaller goals for MP.
Even if it doesn’t change much in the grand scheme of things that’s really not the kind of news I want to read right now.
